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Thread: Pennzoil Marine oil question
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Pennzoil Premium Plus VS XLF RESOLVED !
I have no problem explaining the raw data, although I am no oil chemist. The only thing left to interpretation is what you want in your engine. My whole point of this isn't to push one brand over the other, but mearly let the public know since Pennzoil doesn't, what the difference is between two of their products.
The only numbers we are concerned with are the additives, the others are wear metals and this being a virgin oil analysis of a 2 stroke oil, we will not see the wear of an engine like a 4 stroke. So lets go over the additives.
[FONT=arial, helvetica, sans-serif]Molydenum - most commonly used as an anti-wear/anti-scuff additive and has an effect commonly called ?Moly plating? where over time, a thin and microscopic layer of Molybdenum tends to form between contact surfaces, thereby creating a lower coefficient of friction between the two parts. Moly has a melting temperature of 1185 degrees Celsius and is used as a black lustrous powder in oil which is insoluble by water.
^^ -- This statement is discussing its benefits in a 4 stroke oil/grease, NOT in the combustion chamber. Take that how you will !! [/FONT]
Phosphorus - anti-wear, anti-oxidant, and corrosion inhibitor additive
Zinc- anti-wear, anti-oxidant, extreme pressure, and corrosion inhibitor additive
Calcium - Used as a detergent and dispersant additive to maintain suspension of particulate matter, along with maintaining a reserve alkalinity.
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Euroski
05-01-2014, 08:05 PM
So what's really the difference? I been running the XLF for the past 2 years and now only have the premium Plus at the local stores?
Pennzoil Marine® XLF Synthetic Blend 2-Cycle Outboard Engine Oil Extended Life FormulaPennzoil Marine®XLF Extended Life Formula TC-W3®Outboard 2-Cycle Synthetic Blend Oil was developed for engines that are seasoned or have been in service for a few years. The robust formulation makes Marine®XLF Extended Life Formula TC-W3®Outboard 2-Cycle Synthetic Blend Oil also very suitable for new high-displacement/horsepower carbureted or direct injection outboard motors.
Pennzoil Marine® Premium Plus 2-Cycle Synthetic Blend OilPennzoil Marine®Premium Plus outboard 2-cycle synthetic blend oil is specially designed for exceptional performance in marine applications. Its formulated with an extra level of performance additives to protect outboard engines under the most severe operating conditions.
tony97gt
05-02-2014, 01:11 AM
I'm not sure but I've been running the Full Synthetic for a few months (bought it on Amazon in two cases) and now when I checked Amazon to find more, they only have the ones you mentioned. I'm running high rpm's so I need the good stuff (Full Syn) but have to buy elsewhere now.
catfish123
05-02-2014, 04:04 AM
You already may know this but any of these oils are available through http://oilstore.stores.yahoo.net/
nelson edens
05-02-2014, 07:03 AM
You can catch Premium Plus on sale at Academy Sports for $14.99/gal.
Motv18
05-02-2014, 09:34 AM
Iirc the xlf just runs cleaner. Especially in yammys
not Familier with the Viscocity thermal breakdown anti corrosion and other factors.
Glastron1987
05-02-2014, 11:53 AM
That is an excellent question. My local Autozone carries both PP for $15.99 and XLF for $20.99 per gallon. I needed a gallon, so asked the attendant. He emphasized the XLF being good for a “seasoned” engine, which I have, so that is what I bought… but it would be good to know if there would be any noticeable differences (e.g. idling or smell/smoke) between the two and maybe save $5.
JohnR
05-02-2014, 11:53 AM
You can get the Premium Plus at AutoZone for around $15 a gallon around here. When they send me a $10 off $50 I hope get 4.
Mr. Action
05-02-2014, 01:12 PM
I've been running prem plus for 10+ years now n love it but it's up to 22 a gal in fl, was at Walmart n saw the xlf but won't try it in a 300x just my fishing boats and haven't noticed any difference
I went straight to the source for my questions on the difference between Pennzoil for my opti's.
Pennzoil tech support said to run premium plus in my opti's and that the xlf is more a blend for older outboards
Glastron1987
05-04-2014, 09:12 AM
Good clarification. Thanks.
Euroski
05-04-2014, 12:45 PM
IN my area auto-zone has PP for $16 and XLF for $20. What makes the XLF worth the extra $$? And, is my 2007 300XS with 123hrs a seasoned engine?
wired247
05-04-2014, 01:05 PM
I think when they say "seasoned engine" they mean not a HPDI/opti motor.
gregpro50
05-04-2014, 02:16 PM
I run XLF in my 250xs opti as well as all my motors. The one thing I like is that it burns much cleaner. My prop is not all sooty like it was with premium plus.
Quinten
05-04-2014, 02:23 PM
Just ran out of a bargain I got on quicksilver premium a couple of years ago. Picked up a gallon of pennzoil premium plus from the auto store. Yep, $22.00, but the quicksilver was closer to $42.00. Wow!
Jay Smith
05-04-2014, 02:24 PM
I suggest to ALL my steel sleeved customers AFTER break in with Mercury "Ole Blue" ( 100% petroleum ) switch to any of the penn. blends. IMO they are GREAT lubrication . For people that tear these engines down daily and observe the internals of these engines , believe me there IS A DIFFERENCE in oils....
Jay
Quinten
05-04-2014, 05:57 PM
I suggest to ALL my steel sleeved customers AFTER break in with Mercury "Ole Blue" ( 100% petroleum ) switch to any of the penn. blends. IMO they are GREAT lubrication . For people that tear these engines down daily and observe the internals of these engines , believe me there IS A DIFFERENCE in oils....
Jay
Do you feel the same about a Bridgeport? It's chrome, isn't it?
Jay Smith
05-04-2014, 06:00 PM
I break ALL my motors in on ole blue ....ALWAYS had good luck doing them that way..
Jay
Quinten
05-04-2014, 06:05 PM
I break ALL my motors in on ole blue ....ALWAYS had good luck doing them that way..
Jay
Yes sir, but after break in? You mentioned the pennzoil for steel sleeve. The same for other cylinder wall materials? Thanks.
Euroski
05-04-2014, 07:06 PM
I attached spec sheets(PDF files) for both oils and they almost look the same, but I'm not a chemist. Interesting the PP is dated 2001 and the XLF is dated 2007
Jay Smith
05-04-2014, 08:14 PM
I have had great luck with any of the Pen blends on steel sleeved motors after break-in and great luck with 100% syn Pen. on coated sleeved engines to 8000 K after that I like Red Line..
Jay
olboatman
05-05-2014, 05:55 AM
I have had great luck with any of the Pen blends on steel sleeved motors after break-in and great luck with 100% syn Pen. on coated sleeved engines to 8000 K after that I like Red Line..
Jay
Jay are you saying that I should not use full syn. oil (I have Klotz) in my steel sleeved 140 OMC at 6200 rpm? Information like yours is one reason this site is so helpful to the members! Thanks Gary
MStine06
05-05-2014, 06:03 AM
Jay are you saying that I should n. use full syn. oil (I have Klotz) in my steel sleeved 140 OMC at 6200 rpm? Information like yours is one reason this site is so helpful to the members! Thanks Gary
He preached for years and years that you should run nothing but FULL synthetic oil in a steel sleeved engine. After years of preaching this to everyone that asked, he wakes up one day and says under no circumstance should you run synthetic in a steel sleeved engine.
So.... take your pick!
Jay Smith
05-05-2014, 12:15 PM
Gary, I found the problem with a fully syn oil on steel is people add the oil to a motor that's not FULLY BROKE-IN. Once the rings have lost some tention reducing the tendency to get hot because of ring/bore friction it is ok. I had several motors that scuffed after the addition of the syn oil too soon and learned my lesson.. John Marles IMO the Steel Bore motor king turned me into a blend on steel 100% of the time man and afterwards I witnessed ZERO issues... I find a person lives and learns and afterwards you pass on what you find was the problem was to anyone interested and the fix to prevent it from happening again..
So...take your pick!
Jay
olboatman
05-05-2014, 01:51 PM
Thanks Jay for clearing that up for me. I guess I'm not gonna hurt the old OMC with Klotz at 40 to 1(plenty of hrs on her). I'll switch to a blend after a rebuild and shes broke in. As you said live and learn! Gary
WaterBoy
05-05-2014, 07:42 PM
Hmm, guessing I should run Penn blend in mine instead of the fully synthetic in my 225 promax after reading some of the comments.
KakaroT
05-05-2014, 08:05 PM
I've been running penzoil blend from auto parts since day one I got my 300 promax's no issues since almost two seasons (knock on wood)
Fasprop
05-05-2014, 09:31 PM
He preached for years and years that you should run nothing but FULL synthetic oil in a steel sleeved engine. After years of preaching this to everyone that asked, he wakes up one day and says under no circumstance should you run synthetic in a steel sleeved engine.
So.... take your pick!
Matt.... easy now.
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Markus
05-06-2014, 06:17 AM
Hmm, guessing I should run Penn blend in mine instead of the fully synthetic in my 225 promax after reading some of the comments.
As long as the engine is fully broken in, the synthetic oil will be better.
keit29
05-06-2014, 07:28 AM
What's "fully broke in"? 10 hours, 50 hours, 100 hours?
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- For best performance, follow the manufacturer's recommendations in your vehicle owner’s manual.
- Formulated to keep your marine engine running clean
- Also acts as a multipurpose gear oil
- Guard against harmful engine deposits
- Protect against piston-scuffing
- Keep performance-robbing carbon deposits from forming in the combustion chamber, piston tops and under crowns and piston-combustion rings
| Manufacturer | Pennzoil |
| Brand | Pennzoil |
| Model | Pennzoil |
| Item Weight | 7.48 pounds (3.37 kg) |
| Package Dimensions | 12.5 x 8 x 4 inches (31.8 x 20.3 x 10.2 cm) |
| Country of Origin | USA |
| Item model number | 550045220 |
| Manufacturer Part Number | 550045220 |
| ASIN | B01M9CLT22 |
| Package Information | Jug |
| Brand | Pennzoil |
| Vehicle Service Type | Car |
| Liquid Volume | 128 Fluid Ounces |
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Pennzoil 2-cycle premium plus outboard marine oil for outboard motors is specially designed for 2-cycle gasoline marine applications and formulated to help protect outboard engines under the most severe operating conditions. This oil is compatible with outboard motors made by Johnson/Evinrude, Mercury marine, Yamaha, Suzuki, Nissan, force/us marine, Mariner, sears and All other manufacturers requiring NMMA TC-W3 oil.
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- Question: Would this be ok for a polaris pwc
Answer: Can't really say. Have never had or used a PWC. I have a 150 hp outboard. This is a very good oil. I've used it for years with no adverse effects. Ask your local PWC dealer. Good luck. - Question: Can I mix this oil separately in a can to use in a motor without oil injection?
Answer: Yes, be certain to mix at the exact ratio listed in owners manual for the motor in question - Question: I am using evinrude/ johnson xd50 synergies blend on my johnson 200hp ocean runner, is penzoil plus or cfc equal
Answer: 100% - Question: Why is this about $6 more a gallon if I ordered the box of three instead of ordering 1 gallon?
Answer: I noticed that as well. So I just ordered 3 single gallons. - Question: is this a synethic blend or a full synethic?
Answer: Synthetic blend. - Question: Is 2-cycle and 2-stroke the same thing? I am looking for 2-cycle marine oil for my friend's outboard gasoline mixture.
Answer: This oil is 2 cycle oil that mixes with gas for 2 stroke motors. This will be my second season using this oil on my 225 hp outboard motor. I find the trusted penzoil name and synthetic blend much more trust worthy and even less expensive the cheaper brands. Awesome oil at a great price. I just bought 2 more. - Question: Using mercury quicksilver 2 stroke oil on my 1978 mercury 1400 .. will this oil be the same? i mix directly to gas tank @50:1 .. thanks!!
Answer: I have a 1994 Johnson 150 Fast Strike on my bass boat and I've used Pennzoil Premium Plus synthetic blend outboard oil for years and never had any problems. Yes, you can mix it directly with gas at a 50:1 ratio. It is considerably less expensive (approx. $20 @ gal.) than the engine manufacturer's oil. If you're not using Yamaha Ring Free gas additive, you should start. It keeps carbon from collecting in and around the piston rings. It is about $40 a bottle but much cheaper than rebuilding a blown engine. Good luck. - Question: What oil/fuel mix you use?
Answer: I use this oil in a Yamaha ox66 225 HP 2 stroke outboard motor, and mix is regulated by factory settings. Other applications requiring ratios are typically noted on the equipment its used on. Sorry I can't be more specific..... - Question: Can I use this on a 1996 seadoo 717 engine?
Answer: Yes, provided you have a 2 stroke engin - Question: You say this acts as a gear oil. ok, so can it be used as lower unit gear oil ??
Answer: This is not gear oil. This is intended for 2 cycle marine engines - it is to be mixed with gasoline; the amount depends on what the engine manufacturer recommend
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