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Thu Mar 09, 2017 7:14 pm

I can get a DSL100 from Sweetwater for $200 off if I get the B-Stock ($699)

What is B-stock?
One of the biggest myths about "B-stock" equipment, is that it's defective. Not true. In fact, just the opposite!
B-Stock gear is in perfect working order and has met the same standards as new gear, but could have some slight cosmetic wear.
A B-stock unit could have only needed a small repair, or it was a perfect working unit that needed to be repackaged for shipping.
It may have lost that new gear smell, but it will work as well as any new piece of gear. Why should you buy "B-stock" gear? Because it is one of the best all-around values you'll find!


Anyone have an opinion?

Thu Mar 09, 2017 7:16 pm

Buy it. Same warranty and everything still applies. All the B-Stock gear I've bought has been perfect or near perfect.

Thu Mar 09, 2017 7:18 pm

You have a return period where you can send it back????? If so, what do you have to lose?

Thu Mar 09, 2017 7:19 pm

Buy it!. My experiences with B-stock have all been great.

Thu Mar 09, 2017 7:19 pm

Sweetwater is about as quality of a company as you can possibly find. Buy with confidence from them.

Probably a customer return, or a demo model at their show room. Either way, it'll be in great working order, and again Sweetwater is one of the best shops around.

Thu Mar 09, 2017 7:20 pm

great amp, great price. buy it!!!

Thu Mar 09, 2017 7:26 pm

That's an excellent price. When you get it you probably won't feel like there's anything wrong with it at all.

I have a feeling you're going to be very happy with this purchase. DSL's are great amps.

Thu Mar 09, 2017 7:47 pm

DONE

thanks all

Thu Mar 09, 2017 7:53 pm

GAB strikes again!! can't wait to hear the clips man

Thu Mar 09, 2017 7:54 pm

21 posts in and already got a new amp!!!!!! :lol:LOL You will fit in just fine here haha

Thu Mar 09, 2017 8:06 pm

Hahaha...my trigger finger gets so damn itchy.

Thu Mar 09, 2017 8:45 pm

:clap:

You're officially a GABber. :lol:

Not to mention you've already posted a clip, which is more than I can say for some of our longest standing mambers. :whistle:

Thu Mar 09, 2017 8:50 pm

parsono10 wrote:Hahaha...my trigger finger gets so damn itchy.


Prepare to feel likw you're in anaphylactic shock.

Thu Mar 09, 2017 8:51 pm

Mambers :rofl:

Thu Mar 09, 2017 8:56 pm

:clap:well-played parsono10.

Thu Mar 09, 2017 9:01 pm

Great deal :thu:

Thu Mar 09, 2017 9:07 pm

I'm sure you'll be happy. Every company probably has a different definition of b stock but sweetwater is great and has good return policy.

The only big B stock I got was an AX8 and it was mint. Like literally flawless. One of the washer screws on the input jacks had a scuff on it.

Thu Mar 09, 2017 9:07 pm

Well if you like clips why didn't you say so? Here is the VKII through the Friedman cab from my other posts....just a quick tone sample....

https://app.box.com/file/145205278864

Thu Mar 09, 2017 9:11 pm

The DSL100 is a killer amp. You'll love it

Thu Mar 09, 2017 11:25 pm

Can't go wrong with a DSL! Congrats!

Cole

Thu Mar 09, 2017 11:56 pm

Parsono - don't freak out when a sales rep from Sweetwater calls to check on you after your purchase has been delivered. This is the level of customer service they routinely provide, and while I think it is awesome in this day and age where most places can't even get your order right, let alone not be a dick on the phone, I've seen some strange posts online about Sweetwater "harassment". :freak:

Enjoy the DSL, it's very popular round these parts... :lol:

Fri Mar 10, 2017 2:15 am

that's a great point greg. I loved that they 'checked in' after the sale. they only do it once for each sale. it gives one a chance to bitch-piss-n-moan or congratulate or go meh. perfect.

just tell 'em GAB sent you. you may not get any special treatment but ...GAB

Fri Mar 10, 2017 2:23 am

parsono10 wrote:Well if you like clips why didn't you say so? Here is the VKII through the Friedman cab from my other posts....just a quick tone sample....

https://app.box.com/file/145205278864



We don't just like clips. Somewhere in the GAB policies and procedures manual there's a minimum anual per capita clip requirement. The GAB penal code has regulations that outline how non clip posting members are to be treated. It ain't pretty.

Fri Mar 10, 2017 2:27 am

:lol:

Fri Mar 10, 2017 2:39 am

Just FYI, when I bought my latest DSL from Sweetwater, I went with a B stock. These are actual B-stocks from Marshall for cosmetic blemishes...and I couldn't find one on mine. I would say buy with confidence...but it looks like you already did. :thu:

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Sweetwater is phenomenal. I dig them so much that I want to visit the actual location sometime. :)

Everytime I buy something, I'm in communication with my rep the entire process and afterwards he always contacts me to ask how I like my product, etc. We always make a little small talk about different things. Great company and awesome service!
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I had a chance to go to the Sweetwater gearfest this summer to work a booth with a friend and his product, but I already had plans to be in Vermont that same weekend. I hope he asks me again next year. :LOL::LOL:
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Anything wrong with buying B-Stock from Sweetwater?


Anyone ever bought a B-Stock item from Sweetwater? Is this a bad idea, or a good way to score a piece of gear for a good price?

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paul999's Avatar

Giver. If it truly is a good deal and not too close to the factory price. I would say go for it. They are good folks.

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Anything wrong with buying B-Stock from Sweetwater?


I think b stock still carries full warranty (check though!) and just has cosmetic flaws - whether you can live with them is up to you; they'll probably be able to send pics for you to check out. You can probably haggle the price too. I've never bought any b stock from sweetwater but I've created some when I didn't package a return carefully

B-stock is a great way to score a deal on some gear! It's always just cosmetic blemishes as far as I know...

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B-stock includes opened and returned goods. Great way to save.
When I sold video gear I got all my home equipment B-stock.
Got a B-stock Octopre from Sweetwater a few years ago and was very happy with it. Cosmetics are not the indicator--having been opened is.

MR

I got a blue baby bottle as b-stock a few years ago - it's been fine.

I don't do a whole lot of business with Sweetwater but I agree they are excellent and the service is great.

I have bought more than a few B-stock items from Full Compass in Wisconsin and I've never had a problem. My sales rep is also great too!

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soundpuretodd's Avatar

B Stock can mean a lot of different things... they may or may not know depending on whether if is their b-stock (an in-house demo or an in-house return), or if it came from the manufacturer that way... might be worth asking them what the story is on that particular item (if it matters to you).

But, at the end of the day if they give you the full warranty, they stand behind it, and you really are getting a great deal, there's typically nothing wrong with b-stock per say.

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Bought a B stock LA-610 from Sweetwater a couple years ago, absolutely brand new, saved a few hundred bucks thumbsup

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Fully operational, no important cosmetic issue (or nothing at all as some returned or opened items can be considered "b-stock"), then sure, if the price is much lower why not? Almost everything I get is second or third hand anyway, and still as good as new, so "B stock" is the last thing that would deter me (as long as the seller is decent).

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YES, BEHOLD MY HORROR STORY. I haven't shopped at Sweetwater since.

Several years ago I bought a B-stock Digi 003 w/ PT 7. The unit itself was quite a bit more beat up than I was expecting, even for a floor model (scratches and dents etc considerably worse than anything I've put on it in the 3 years or so since), but I figured so long as it worked I wouldn't be a stickler about aesthetics.

And the hardware did work, but THE SOFTWARE AND ILOK WERE ALREADY REGISTERED TO THE PREVIOUS USER, and dealing with this was a nightmare. Long story short, Sweetwater couldn't really help much directly with these registration issues, so I had to *repeatedly* correspond with both Ilok AND Digidesign through a long series of emails and phone calls (usually with an hour+ wait time), then back to Sweetwater, and around and around...

The ilok issue was eventually resolved, at which point it was evident that Sweetwater did not include about HALF the bomb factory software bundle as advertised with the unit (I didn't notice this initially since I was doing solely tracking work, not mixing). So then I had to go BACK to Digidesign and Sweetwater to get my plugins, but by that point some of them had been updated, so they were no longer able to just resend me the old bundle, but rather had to customize a package from their current versions of software. We had to try this process several times before everything actually worked.

As for the Protools registration, I was NEVER able to register it to myself (which precluded me from the 7.4 update), and eventually Sweetwater actually told me that "it didn't really matter," which may technically be true if my warranty period had expired, etc, but still seems like a callous response from a company who had f'd up big time. I'm now squared away w/ PT8 though, not purchased through Sweewater of course.

All in all, with all the necessary correspondence and back and forth with the various companies, it was a good *2-3 months* before everything was squared away and I was able to use the gear I purchased.

Much later on, I started noticing more things about the 003 that were malfunctioning that I had never tested before (one of the line outs and line ins), and while I can no longer blame Sweetwater directly for this, since the warranty period is long over, I can't help but wonder if some of this damage was there from the beginning, due to the state it arrived in, etc.

Talk about not feeling good about a purchase! In no way was it worth the $250 I saved, and if I had to do it over, I'd get a new unit, somewhere else.

My .02

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Don't buy B-stock software.

B-stock hardware is usually the "floor model" with blemishes such as rack hash or cosmetic blemishes, but they may not carry a guarantee.

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I got a nice digital Soundcraft mixing board from them that was B stock and it ended up needing a new power supply almost right away. That was a bummer but I did get a 5K board for under 1K.

It can be alright sometimes if it's a good chunk off but I'm not going to do it to save $100 or $200 bucks on something that is 1,000 or more. I never buy from sweetwater myself. I've been to a few protools sweetwater sponsored events and I just don't like all the emails, calls to my house, spam and just the way things were being pushed at these shows..It felt like a real disconnect with the audience at these shows.

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I always think they don't reduce the B-stock enough. Reductions should be more like 25-35% off. But that's just me being cheap!
Jonathan

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I ended up buying a B-Stock BLUE Kiwi from them. The sales rep said that they get them from BLUE as B-stock items, it's not something that was a return or anything. It is backed by a full warranty, same return policy, etc.

It was $500 cheaper, so I figure that was a pretty sweet deal. I'll have it by Friday, so I'll post if I find anything wrong with it.

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Originally Posted by mattg082➡️

It can be alright sometimes if it's a good chunk off but I'm not going to do it to save $100 or $200 bucks on something that is 1,000 or more. I never buy from sweetwater myself. I've been to a few protools sweetwater sponsored events and I just don't like all the emails, calls to my house, spam and just the way things were being pushed at these shows..It felt like a real disconnect with the audience at these shows.

To be fair, Sweetwater isn't alone.

Events sponsored by stores or manufacturers come off as infomercials.

I quit going to any of them, got tired of the sales pitches.

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i have no issues buying b stock.

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Sweetwater customer service is great that if you did have a problem I'm sure they would be more than happy to resolve it for you. I don't think its a bad move if the price is right, but sometimes If new is $40 or $50 more I like the extra security knowing its brand new

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I bought some B stock mics recently from a major manufacturer...and they shipped regular stock. I think they were just wanting to sell more mics that day...!

That is certainly a rare case though.

War

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Quote:

Originally Posted by jsbeeth➡️

YES, BEHOLD MY HORROR STORY. I haven't shopped at Sweetwater since.

Hi jsbeeth, I'm so sorry to hear how much of a hassle your experience was and wanted to take a moment to offer you an apology and an explanation.

Quote:

Originally Posted by jsbeeth➡️

Several years ago I bought a B-stock Digi 003 w/ PT 7. The unit itself was quite a bit more beat up than I was expecting, even for a floor model (scratches and dents etc considerably worse than anything I've put on it in the 3 years or so since), but I figured so long as it worked I wouldn't be a stickler about aesthetics.

Unfortunately the item you purchased was not listed on our website as a B-Stock item but instead was a demo model. To clear up the difference between the two, A "B-stock" is an item that comes directly from the factory and should be complete and in next to new condition.

A "demo" item is a unit that has been out of the box, perhaps returned but still has a warranty period left but not in new condition. It could be sold as a demo for many different reasons such as scratches, missing manuals, packaging, rack marks etc.. Hence this is why it is sold at a discount as a demo item, but it should be fully functional. On top of that, we do our very best to make sure that any items sold as a demo, have the complete functionality of a new item so apologies again for the missing plug-in and the time it took to get the whole issue resolved.

Quote:

Originally Posted by jsbeeth➡️

And the hardware did work, but THE SOFTWARE AND ILOK WERE ALREADY REGISTERED TO THE PREVIOUS USER,................Talk about not feeling good about a purchase! In no way was it worth the $250 I saved, and if I had to do it over, I'd get a new unit, somewhere else. My .02

I understand that our Service manager, Eryk Foss, is also trying to reach you to see if there is anything we can do to make this right with you. My motto is that it is never too late to right a wrong. If you have the time or desire, please feel free to contact me at your convenience and let's see what we can do to get you happy with us!

Thanks for your time and again, my most sincere apologies for any inconvenience and that this went on so long without a resolution.

All the best!

Doug Strahm
Director of Customer Service
Sweetwater
800 222 4700 Ext 1040
[email protected]

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Yes, I got Eryk's message and haven't had a chance yet to call back and sort it out, but I do appreciate your getting in touch and offering to make things right. I'll get in touch as soon as I can.

My experience is basically the same as everyone else has stated so far. If you can save big on a b stock get it. If it is only a small discount then I would pass. My fortune has been good with b stock. However, most of the stuff I really want badis never available in b stock.

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Picked up a B-Stock Voiceworks Plus for $250. It was as good as new. Works with no problems.

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Quote:

Originally Posted by networkresearch➡️

I always think they don't reduce the B-stock enough. Reductions should be more like 25-35% off. But that's just me being cheap!
Jonathan

I'm with you on that one. They only reduce it like 10%, I'd rather just buy a new, un-opened, no scratches or dents unit than take the chance it is missing something like THE MANUALor THE SOFTWAREor THE CABLESor WHAT EVER. There is just something about a totally new piece of gear.

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Quote:

Originally Posted by husky band➡️

I'm with you on that one. They only reduce it like 10%, I'd rather just buy a new, un-opened, no scratches or dents unit than take the chance it is missing something like THE MANUAL or THE SOFTWARE or THE CABLES or WHAT EVER. There is just something about a totally new piece of gear.

My understanding of B-stock and experience with it has been exactly as Doug explained above. i.e. the B-stock box is packed and inspected by the manufacturer and includes everything that new gear would include. Demoequipment is repacked by the retailer and may be missing something.

I think in every case where I've gone with B-stock, it was exactly like buying something new - and that goes for non-music items as well.

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Yeah B-stock is many different things. Usually to the dealer it just means can't be sold as new.

We sometimes have what we call B-blem which is usually just a blem on the enclosure. Whether it's a powder coat problem or silkscreen. or the box it's self.

Then there is what we call E-blem which means there was a problem electronically inside..whether it was used or a repair.

But in the end.. they function perfectly.
I like when I can find a good B-Stock deal....

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Depending on what it is, sure. The thing with B-stocks is that it depends on WHAT makes it a B-stock, what kind of product it is, is there a big cost difference, and who the manufacturer is. I was in China a few weeks back as the Production Manager for the USA Choral Olympic Team and took (2) StudioLive16 consoles with me that were both B-stock units provided directly by Presonus. It turns out we would have been hosed without these as my technical requirements were far more than the China production teams knew, likewise than we knew as well. They worked perfectly fine.

Although I worked there up until last week (you may have heard about the threads going around!) I wouldn't worry about it. If you run into a problem Eryk Foss (the service manager) is as genuine as they come to rectify any problems.

Brad Lyons
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I would say, in general NO Nothing Wrong....
But as others have noted, On Software, beware. Make sure you are fully regestered....better yet, don't buy software "B" stock.

Find out Why is is 'b' stock....
Often they took adventege of a sale from the distributor, and have too many, or last years mod.
Or Demo...
Often they are factory refreshes, that are calabrated prior to shipping.

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There's something VERY wrong with buying from Sweetwater in general. Plenty of other options out there, don't support the Borg.

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